(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[2013 US Open Round 1 Board 2 -Andy Liu 1p vs Jianing Gan 7d]PW[Andy Liu]PB[Jianing Gan]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2013-08-04]EV[US Open]RO[1]PC[US Go Congress Tacoma, WA]US[Richard Dolan]C[play234 [-\]: go andy!
hvk [-\]: HI
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]
;W[qp]C[eatramen [?\]: BBW!
]
;B[cd]C[gooooo [?\]:  how much time do they have?
AzureSea [4d\]: andy is awesome
eatramen [?\]: is there a live stream
Sheriffi [-\]: cool
ChoUsRival [-\]: Aww and i was hoping that was real XD
BeefCake [4d\]: wow, missed move 2...game recorder fail
eatramen [?\]: lol
]
;W[cp]C[dutch2dan [2d\]: give him/her a yellow card :)
USGO2 [-\]: Hello, this is your scribe Richard Dolen.
dutch2dan [2d\]: Hi Richard
gooooo [?\]: what time settings are they playing with?
kmr [1d\]: hi!
dutch2dan [2d\]: THanks for relaying
dutch2dan [2d\]: Is there a live stream?
USGO2 [-\]: Dont think there is a live stream.
dutch2dan [2d\]: :(
bourbaki [2d?\]: i know it's a smidge early to ask this question, but have they picked a location for next year's congress
eatramen [?\]: aww, ok, and hi O/
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;B[ic]
;W[eq]C[ChoUsRival [-\]: They normally announce next years location on last day don't they?
bourbaki [2d?\]: one couldn't fault them for that
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;B[dj]C[gooooo [?\]: usgo2, how much time do they have?
Meera [2d\]: w ges for shusaku ?
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;W[qf]
;B[nd]C[Meera [2d\]: goes
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;W[qc]C[eatramen [?\]: hope this isnt a peacefule game
eatramen [?\]: *-e
BeefCake [4d\]: don't worry, andy doesn't know about those
]
;B[qd]
;W[rd]
;B[re]C[kmr [1d\]: s15? i thought black would q17
AzureSea [4d\]: no usually b is supposed to s15
]
;W[rc]C[AzureSea [4d\]: modern variation
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;B[qe]
;W[ob]
;B[nb]
;W[oc]
;B[nc]C[eatramen [?\]: yeah, ppl dont really play q17 
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;W[rf]
;B[sf]
;W[qj]
;B[od]
;W[oq]C[AzureSea [4d\]: wow
AzureSea [4d\]: w got both shimaris
Merlot [1k\]: B lost if u believe in proverb.
playful [?\]: i could never play so calm when b has such a moyo
indianayk [4d\]: which proverb?
Illyria [?\]: b's moyo is still pretty weak
gopaly2013 [2k\]: can b p19? 
AzureSea [4d\]: if i were b i'd be worrying about white
AzureSea [4d\]: p19 doesnt work
playful [?\]: b moyo weak?
AzureSea [4d\]: p19 q18 s18 t18 s19 t16 
playful [?\]: lol
Merlot [1k\]: hard for B to find a good spot to reduce
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
gopaly2013 [2k\]: not s18 but t16 for ko?
AzureSea [4d\]: bottom side isnt interesting atm
Merlot [1k\]: may be K10
AzureSea [4d\]: im thinking black will either play somewhere in top right
AzureSea [4d\]: or on the right side
SadPlayer [-\]: p5 ?
AzureSea [4d\]: top left sorry
ThiGar [3k\]: AzureSea, this sequence is not that easy to find
Lake [3k\]: just k4
x0000 [-\]: o4 
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;B[ed]C[AzureSea [4d\]: lol
AzureSea [4d\]: well i was right
BeefCake [4d\]: d8
AzureSea [4d\]: either top left or right
AzureSea [4d\]: :)
]
;W[cl]C[x0000 [-\]: e16 seems overconcentrated
BeefCake [4d\]: ah, so close
AzureSea [4d\]: xxD
BeefCake [4d\]: k4?
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
BeefCake [4d\]: or k3
kalaryan [1k\]: p10 
AzureSea [4d\]: i like k4 better
x0000 [-\]: e9 
dutch2dan [2d\]: r5?
F525 [1k\]: B's opener looks somewhat overconcentrated to me, looks like a success for W.
indianayk [4d\]: e16 is perfect in relation to j17 
eatramen [?\]: B does feel a bit overconcentrated
AzureSea [4d\]: white is globally doing better, but black's local strength is good
]
;B[el]C[ThiGar [3k\]: but dawnting moyo
indianayk [4d\]: i like b
Illyria [?\]: I like b right now too, but I expect Andy to win
dash [2d\]: w seems better
F525 [1k\]: I like the crude E9 attachment here.
viu30h [5k\]: gotta love white with 2 shimaris though xD
playful [?\]: what is this game?
MXHero [4d\]: E3 + P3 makes it slightly difficult for w to build the bottom side, so expect a w invasion soon
dash [2d\]: w clearly ahead on territory
indianayk [4d\]: they are both aga pros, right?
moboy78 [2k\]: just w
Lindsey [5d\]: c17 soon
viu30h [5k\]: gansheng is already in korea for training i think
Lindsey [5d\]: maybe c12 b10 c17 d17 c15 b16 d15 d16 
indianayk [4d\]: thx
]
;W[cc]C[MXHero [4d\]: after C12 B10, i doubt that C17 would be met with D17
AzureSea [4d\]: good call lindsey
ChoUsRival [-\]: i like the timing of this. go andy \\o\\
Lindsey [5d\]: oh like a boss
AzureSea [4d\]: d17 is only move possible here lol
F525 [1k\]: c10 too crude to consider?
AzureSea [4d\]: anything else ruins the purpose of e16 stone
bourbaki [2d?\]: is this a probe, or does w intend to live?
MXHero [4d\]: why is D17 the only move?
MXHero [4d\]: azure, that's not true; locally B15 is a fine play as well
AzureSea [4d\]: b15?
MXHero [4d\]: yes
viu30h [5k\]: to seal
Lindsey [5d\]: for b he means
playful [?\]: where is the game being played?
MXHero [4d\]: i'm not suggesting b should play it, but there is certainly a choice to be made here
AzureSea [4d\]: guess so
Lindsey [5d\]: b15 /b16 /d17 
AzureSea [4d\]: i prefer b16 over b15
Lindsey [5d\]: these are the options
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;B[be]C[MXHero [4d\]: =)
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
ChoUsRival [-\]: boom. max wins >.>
AzureSea [4d\]: nice one haha
Lindsey [5d\]: i also prefer b15
playful [?\]: anyone?
Thus [3d\]: looks a bit silly with c8
playful [?\]: is this a tournament?
Lindsey [5d\]: d17 b17 normal
AzureSea [4d\]: b17?
AzureSea [4d\]: oh
MXHero [4d\]: that's what i was thinking too, thus
kmr [1d\]: game is played at US congress
AzureSea [4d\]: after d17
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
eatramen [?\]: MX!
playful [?\]: ah, thanks kmr
Meera [2d\]: f16
MXHero [4d\]: hey ramen
kmr [1d\]: in Tacoma, np you welcome
eatramen [?\]: nm
viu30h [5k\]: how long is andy pro now?
eatramen [?\]: i mean, hey
viu30h [5k\]: about a year no?
Lindsey [5d\]: yes
kmr [1d\]: white will tenuki
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
viu30h [5k\]: has he gotten considerably stronger since then?
VictorNiMe [7k\]: what is tenuki
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah white cant do  much else here i think
Lindsey [5d\]: tenuki is an option, but i wouldn't tenuki
VictorNiMe [7k\]: like the trade?
kmr [1d\]: tenuki= playing elswhere
VictorNiMe [7k\]: ohhh
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;W[nj]C[eatramen [?\]: how much time do they have?
Lindsey [5d\]: o4!
ChoUsRival [-\]: yes love it 
viu30h [5k\]: growing point for both sides
kmr [1d\]: i think 2h main time
Lindsey [5d\]: or p5
Meera [2d\]: p5
AzureSea [4d\]: p5
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;B[co]C[Meera [2d\]: close lol
Lindsey [5d\]: hmm
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
Muttley [2k\]: hmmmmmm
AzureSea [4d\]: good move :o
Meera [2d\]: m
Muttley [2k\]:  
Muttley [2k\]: leverage
MXHero [4d\]: i suppose that, with B15 in place, it is harder for w to use C8 if it gets cut off?
AzureSea [4d\]: d5?
Muttley [2k\]: b5
kmr [1d\]: b5 - i think its not good
Lindsey [5d\]: b4 maybe
F525 [1k\]: Locally c10 looks fine to me, MXH.
MXHero [4d\]: C10 is my guess
AzureSea [4d\]: i dont like b5
Thus [3d\]: e7 
Meera [2d\]: c10
F525 [1k\]: But I don't think W can allow a hane on the c4 stone.
Muttley [2k\]: hey, its a 2k move, what do expect
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;W[dp]C[viu30h [5k\]: m17 and kill the wall
kmr [1d\]: c10 - c7 seems good for black
AzureSea [4d\]: oh i was close :D
Lindsey [5d\]: also an option
Meera [2d\]: p5
kmr [1d\]: d4 is well known response for fans of Blood vomiting game ^^
Lindsey [5d\]: b4 before that maybe
gopaly2013 [2k\]: b C6?
AzureSea [4d\]: lol i was gonna say e6
AzureSea [4d\]: but thats bad for b lol
kmr [1d\]: i have feeling that white will not answer b4 with b3
]
;B[nl]C[Lindsey [5d\]: umm nice
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
BeefCake [4d\]: o8?  seems weird...
]
;W[lk]C[dutch2dan [2d\]: m9?
viu30h [5k\]: o6? or e8 too influential?
dutch2dan [2d\]: oops, too late
BeefCake [4d\]: m9 so good
Lindsey [5d\]: p5
Merlot [1k\]: P5 
BeefCake [4d\]: i like W nw
MXHero [4d\]: b's new goal: make M9 look thin using the O16 wall
dutch2dan [2d\]: still, b moyo looks quite a bit weaker now
maggrig [3k\]: p18 kill??
Merlot [1k\]: no
F525 [1k\]: No.
maggrig [3k\]: sorry
maggrig [3k\]: p19
Merlot [1k\]: no
AzureSea [4d\]: no
F525 [1k\]: Still no.
viu30h [5k\]: r16 is sente
playful [?\]: corner killable if no t14
VictorNiMe [7k\]: is the top white corener alive?
viu30h [5k\]: t16 lol
AzureSea [4d\]: p5 looks good here
maggrig [3k\]: oki i see :)
AzureSea [4d\]: maybe even o4?
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;B[ql]
;W[qn]C[viu30h [5k\]: lol
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
viu30h [5k\]: b playing with fire xD
AzureSea [4d\]: why didnt white n7 instead of r6
Illyria [?\]: I love the immediate response from andy
MXHero [4d\]: yeah that was super fast o.O
F525 [1k\]: o4 looks too loose to me, I doubt W will play o3.
Meera [2d\]: r8 bad move ?
AzureSea [4d\]: wonder why w didnt n7
ThiGar [3k\]: drop r8 and remove c17 aji with b17
viu30h [5k\]: n7 make p5 more potent move since r8 there?  dont know
Meera [2d\]: p5 better than o8 ? 
MXHero [4d\]: P5 is no longer a workable move
AzureSea [4d\]: mxh, lindsey, any thoughts?
gopaly2013 [2k\]: N9?
AzureSea [4d\]: why r6 instead of n7
MXHero [4d\]: P5's strength is that it has two ways to continue, at O3 and at R5; but now R6 has removed one of those directions
F525 [1k\]: r5 was probably a problem, AS.
viu30h [5k\]: azu my response make any sense? no idea
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
Lindsey [5d\]: yes
Meera [2d\]: o4
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah p5 is gone now
Lindsey [5d\]: i think something like m7 is possible
AzureSea [4d\]: maybe thats why r6
Lindsey [5d\]: or m8
maggrig [3k\]: isnt r9 sente ?
AzureSea [4d\]: r9 bad move lol
AzureSea [4d\]: just strengthens white
MXHero [4d\]: maggrig, yes, quite sente, but bad
viu30h [5k\]: r9 fixes whites shape by alot
maggrig [3k\]: oki
Merlot [1k\]: o6
Meera [2d\]: p10 crosscut ?
MXHero [4d\]: another better sente move would be just b Q8, but again, looks really bad :)
F525 [1k\]: Move 35: W N7 B R5, not really sure what W gained there.
AzureSea [4d\]: usgo how much time do both guys have 
kalaryan [1k\]: its very hard to find good follow up for b
Thus [3d\]: p10 only choise
Thus [3d\]: b screwed up
AzureSea [4d\]: b had a reason for r8
AzureSea [4d\]: we'll see
Lindsey [5d\]: p10 is bad..
Meera [2d\]: m7 looks nice
gooooo [?\]: r9?
Lindsey [5d\]: m8 /m7 /o6  something like that
viu30h [5k\]: m7 for b?
MXHero [4d\]: if you totally mess up on the board, it's in general better to tenuki rather than continue along a bad line directly
playful [?\]: yeah, these two black stones seems like a strange way to play
F525 [1k\]: I bet my life savings that B will not play R9.
playful [?\]: not quite right
Lindsey [5d\]: MX, b can't tenuki here
AzureSea [4d\]: no way b will tenuki this
Lindsey [5d\]: it's just too big
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
MXHero [4d\]: oh i agree
MXHero [4d\]: i don't think b messed up :)
AzureSea [4d\]: i think o6 now
maggrig [3k\]: if b tenuki how w play after (locally) ?
MXHero [4d\]: R8 still retains aji, no problem
AzureSea [4d\]: i dont see any other move
ThiGar [3k\]: o8, r8, light aji stones, let's not weigh them down
viu30h [5k\]: the fastness of r6 might provoke b to think he messed up even though he might not have
Lindsey [5d\]: don't forget that b has a big potential in center
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
F525 [1k\]: Surrounded in 1 move isn't exactly something I'd call "light".
AzureSea [4d\]: k9 maybe?
AzureSea [4d\]: give up 2 stones
AzureSea [4d\]: and get center
AzureSea [4d\]: possible
Lindsey [5d\]: lol
Lindsey [5d\]: it's not 2 stones
ThiGar [3k\]: zen style
Lindsey [5d\]: it's about 40 points
AzureSea [4d\]: lol true
F525 [1k\]: m11 looks bigger to me in that case.
AzureSea [4d\]: m11/k9 if b wants center i suppose
viu30h [5k\]: 40 points are overrated
AzureSea [4d\]: but i think b will o6 here
Thus [3d\]: m10 was the move to play instead of o8
playful [?\]: o6 seems possible
MXHero [4d\]: if b plays anything around O6, w M7 feels automatic to me
Lindsey [5d\]: i think so too
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;B[pj]
;W[pi]C[Lindsey [5d\]: (to Thus)
]
;B[qi]C[AzureSea [4d\]: hmm
Lindsey [5d\]: ewww looks awful
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah :o
Thus [3d\]: its the wrong cut :(
MXHero [4d\]: well, we can forget our entire discussion now :))
Lindsey [5d\]: b really messed up
ThiGar [3k\]: agree This, M10 kept early balance
AzureSea [4d\]: s10 q9 q12 
ThiGar [3k\]: what does the theory say about this Xcut?
Thus [3d\]: it says its the wrong cut
dfgdfgfd: it has a stupid face
Merlot [1k\]: good cut
MXHero [4d\]: i don't see a quick refutation here; might be very good
Merlot [1k\]: this is sabaki 
Thus [3d\]: justq9 
playful [?\]: s11
Thus [3d\]: w has enough territory
MXHero [4d\]: the sequence after w Q9 is not especially wonderful for either player
maggrig [3k\]: i thought 1p and 7p play with 6 stones ^^
Thus [3d\]: b connects from beneith, w happy
MXHero [4d\]: in particular, the R10 stone still dies
MXHero [4d\]: (or a crazy fight happens)
ThiGar [3k\]: if r10 dies, b lives
Lindsey [5d\]: b is not 7p..
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
maggrig [3k\]: oooh sorry lol
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
maggrig [3k\]: ^^
Lindsey [5d\]: 1p can beat 9p without any handicap
Lindsey [5d\]: it's not like 1d and 9d
maggrig [3k\]: really ?
Thus [3d\]: not an american 1p :P
AzureSea [4d\]: :P
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;W[ri]C[playful [?\]: word
maggrig [3k\]: can 9p beat 1p with handicaps ?
Lindsey [5d\]: yes..
dfgdfgfd: no
dfgdfgfd: 1p too strong
MXHero [4d\]: p ranks represent a player's accomplishments, not a player's strength (which is pro-level strength regardless)
maggrig [3k\]: ooh
Nosabe [-\]: 1p becomes 9p by winning tournaments
MXHero [4d\]: i want b to play P11 now!
maggrig [3k\]: so 5p can be stronger than 7p ?
XY0908 [-\]: sure
Nosabe [-\]: it is possible
Lindsey [5d\]: obviously
AzureSea [4d\]: p11
Thus [3d\]: what if he r12?
DoubleD [8k\]: ,so do I, so it must be the wrong move
XY0908 [-\]: haha
MXHero [4d\]: the fun thing about very strong players is that we all have the same chance of guessing their moves :)
Lindsey [5d\]: too lazy to read
dfgdfgfd: b t1
viu30h [5k\]: 1p can be stronger than 9p    not yet 1p can be stronger than 9p aswell ;)
gopaly2013 [2k\]: i would P11 then P10
ThiGar [3k\]: strong players constantly sacrifice, which is why we don't guess right
XY0908 [-\]: what if B just extends?
playful [?\]: r12 or p11 seems are only options
]
;B[oi]
;W[qh]C[AzureSea [4d\]: called it :)
Illyria [?\]: I'm sad that zchen isn't at congress this year
AzureSea [4d\]: oh rly? D:
Illyria [?\]: his moves are almost impossible to predict
AzureSea [4d\]: why? D:
XY0908 [-\]: maybe the bar exam?
AzureSea [4d\]: :P
ThiGar [3k\]: isn't zchen in Hong Kong?
XY0908 [-\]: no
Illyria [?\]: I don't know, I just know he isn't at congress
MXHero [4d\]: b is deciding between P10 and Q9, i bet
AzureSea [4d\]: p10
MXHero [4d\]: q9 is much better shape in many ways, but P10 is thicker
playful [?\]: is q9 an option?
Thus [3d\]: more like between p10 and q12
AzureSea [4d\]: q12 bad
ThiGar [3k\]: p10 might seal w
kmlck [1k\]: is w old hejksdf
kmlck [1k\]: hjeksdf?
playful [?\]: yes
MXHero [4d\]: i kinda like Q9 more
playful [?\]: and bbw
playful [?\]: and cloudnotes
DoubleD [8k\]: does p10 end in Gore?
AzureSea [4d\]: hjekshdf
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
DoubleD [8k\]: gote?
MXHero [4d\]: q9 p12 o12 seems like a nice cut for b, and P16 is there to back up the small shape problems there
]
;B[oj]
;W[oh]C[MXHero [4d\]: aw
]
;B[ni]
;W[nh]C[AzureSea [4d\]: called it again :)
]
;B[mi]
;W[mh]C[AzureSea [4d\]: l11
]
;B[li]
;W[lh]C[Thus [3d\]: what are those pushes for?
Illyria [?\]: this makes b's moyo look far less moyo-y
AzureSea [4d\]: reducing the moyo
MXHero [4d\]: w must break through b's influence here; it is just vital
dutch2dan [2d\]: o4?
Thus [3d\]: four useless stones
]
;B[kh]
;W[kg]C[Herod [-\]: anything but useless
MXHero [4d\]: R6 still looks well-placed, much to b's dismay
]
;B[jg]
;W[kf]C[AzureSea [4d\]: hmm suddenly b's moyo looks vast
viu30h [5k\]: im still for m17 and try to kill the wall :P
MXHero [4d\]: =))
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
]
;B[oa]C[viu30h [5k\]: see bs afraid of it xDE
playful [?\]: ko time
ThiGar [3k\]: would'nt b o12 have been better than o11?
MXHero [4d\]: tenuki this!
viu30h [5k\]: but then all chances to kill the wall are ruined
MXHero [4d\]: ok i guess
playful [?\]: t16
]
;W[lm]C[MXHero [4d\]: ooooo
AzureSea [4d\]: O.O
i1337 [2d\]: Oh
bourbaki [2d?\]: why is m7 at all big?
AzureSea [4d\]: he's not defending corner??
i1337 [2d\]: it's all about timing
i1337 [2d\]: :-)
MXHero [4d\]: it's an easy corner to sacrifice
ThiGar [3k\]: sente on p11
mateogo [3k\]: easy to say that once the pro has played
MXHero [4d\]: i already said it when i said tenuki :)
]
;B[jh]C[bourbaki [2d?\]: i'm fine with the tenuki, i just don't understand why m7 is big
mateogo [3k\]: :) i see
]
;W[jf]C[MXHero [4d\]: me neither, bourbaki
AzureSea [4d\]: w is attacking b's center group
gopaly2013 [2k\]: b take corner?
ThiGar [3k\]: m7 threatened the l11 cut, bourbaki
]
;B[lo]C[MXHero [4d\]: wow, with K14 w is truly signaling a complete disinterest in that top right corner
bourbaki [2d?\]: who cares about that cut?
]
;W[nm]C[MXHero [4d\]: well, it would be a devastating cut
]
;B[om]
;W[nn]
;B[nq]C[bourbaki [2d?\]: b could live very easily and probably in sente in the center
]
;W[np]C[MXHero [4d\]: not everywhere; the aji would radiate throughout the board
MXHero [4d\]: for example, E8 would become thin again, most likely
bourbaki [2d?\]: i just don't see it, m9 m7 is not exactly a thick attacking shape
MXHero [4d\]: if b tenukies, w gets L11 K12 L10, and then the M7 stone is perfect for an attack
bourbaki [2d?\]: the exchange of m7 for k12 just looks like aji keshi to me
ThiGar [3k\]: but l11, l10, m9, l7 would be
MXHero [4d\]: w was also concerned that M7 would be aji keshi; so, notice how the game line went M7 K12 *K14
MXHero [4d\]: w doesn't want to use all of the aji in the M7 area, but w definitely (for some reason we can't know) wanted to use -some- of the aji there
bourbaki [2d?\]: i guess it's that "reason we can't know" which makes m7 seem suspect
]
;B[mq]
;W[or]
;B[cm]C[MXHero [4d\]: hard to understand the timing here o.O
]
;W[jp]C[hallelujah [?\]: looks like andy is losing? hard to tell
gopaly2013 [2k\]: Andy is white?
hallelujah [?\]: yes
ThiGar [3k\]: Is c8 a case of  "it's not where things happen"?
]
;B[jq]
;W[iq]C[gopaly2013 [2k\]: thx
bourbaki [2d?\]: well whatever his grand design with m7 was, it hasn't come to fruition yet
bourbaki [2d?\]: maybe he's secretly winning
ThiGar [3k\]: pros are patient
gopaly2013 [2k\]: J4 now?
Lake [3k\]: pros are cute^^
Herod [-\]: There is the off chance the players on board 1 see farther ahead than the spectators
hallelujah [?\]: what a profound comment, herod, thanks
MXHero [4d\]: herod, we take that as an assumption and are now trying to figure out what they are thinking :)
Herod [-\]: Rather than so many assertions the players are mistaken?
dutch2dan [2d\]: @Herod: Just for your information, this happens to be board 2 ;)
MXHero [4d\]: lol
hallelujah [?\]: who said anything about the players being wrong?
MXHero [4d\]: i don't think bourbaki said anything about wrongness
bourbaki [2d?\]: only confusion here
hallelujah [?\]: what is right and wrong in go, anyway?
MXHero [4d\]: also i think he's right that M7 hasn't shown its true value yet (but we'll find out its value after this fight)
gopaly2013 [2k\]: maybe L6?
]
;B[ir]
;W[ip]C[dutch2dan [2d\]: @hallelujah: Generally speaking, dying in gote is bad
]
;B[kr]
;W[hr]
;B[kp]
;W[is]C[hallelujah [?\]: i would argue that
hallelujah [?\]: but then my doctor would know i haven't been taking my medication
]
;B[mp]
;W[bm]C[dutch2dan [2d\]: Well, it depends. If my opponent plays a death in gote move I'd consider that a good chance for me to play a good move :D
]
;B[dm]
;W[bn]
;B[no]C[hallelujah [?\]: nearly any move would be good, so don't work too hard on finding it
MXHero [4d\]: tenuki now? i am not sure anymore
]
;W[on]
;B[op]C[dutch2dan [2d\]: Live in top right now?
ThiGar [3k\]: m7 prevents extensions from the south and can potentially be part of a west facing wall
]
;W[bk]C[MXHero [4d\]: ok, it's official: this has all been focusing on how thick/thin E8/D10 is
ThiGar [3k\]: cheddar or swiss cheese 
MXHero [4d\]: b has a surprisingly low number of points
dutch2dan [2d\]: Swiss cheese has a similarity to many of our walls... Full of holes :D
]
;B[fj]C[gtojan [-\]: hi, excuse me, but why b P19 and not Q18 ?
F525 [1k\]: This says "Play C11" to me, but is it big enough?
MXHero [4d\]: it has to do with the life&death in this corner, gto
bourbaki [2d?\]: i guess m7 was a sort of global probe then... b emphasized bottom, w took sente on the left
MXHero [4d\]: but also, P19 is generally a better endgame move than Q18 (if this were merely endgame)
ThiGar [3k\]: yes MXH, , h8 area is public garden, L14 wall granit, c12 area open, and g17 invasion or about looming
gopaly2013 [2k\]: w C11?
gopaly2013 [2k\]: or H14?
playful [?\]: w can live in the corner any time by playing T16, and b can also kill by playing there
gtojan [-\]: thanks
F525 [1k\]: l11 weakness will be interesting, hopefully.
]
;W[bb]C[MXHero [4d\]: cute!
gopaly2013 [2k\]: maybe w keep the corner now?
gopaly2013 [2k\]: B18 why?
ahero [4d\]: because Andy is Superhero
hallelujah [?\]: an attempt to live?
hallelujah [?\]: why else?
playful [?\]: makes ko
Psychopath [-\]: Since when has Andy Liu been 1p?
hallelujah [?\]: not ko, i think just dead. idk
Herod [-\]: Since last year
ahero [4d\]: 1 year
MXHero [4d\]: he is an AGA 1p
Psychopath [-\]: Thanks.
hallelujah [?\]: get with the program, psycho
rusticpan [2k\]: lol
Psychopath [-\]: Congratulations to him then. I always liked him :)
bourbaki [2d?\]: hmm what is the right play for b here
hallelujah [?\]: gansheng shi is the other aga pro, btw, but he's canadian
bourbaki [2d?\]: if d17 w lives unconditionally?
]
;B[db]C[Rochedale [4k\]: Are they certifying any more pros this year?
]
;W[jd]C[hallelujah [?\]: i'd assume so, but idk for sure
]
;B[jc]C[AzureSea [4d\]: and im back
MXHero [4d\]: K16 is a mystery to meffffff
AzureSea [4d\]: what happened while i was gone :o
bourbaki [2d?\]: man k16 is another move that's totally lost on me
bourbaki [2d?\]: :) glad i'm not insane
]
;W[dc]C[MXHero [4d\]: also, it was played so quickly? what are we not seeing about K16? :)
gopaly2013 [2k\]: why both don't care the up-right corner?
AzureSea [4d\]: ah
AzureSea [4d\]: i im all caught up
bourbaki [2d?\]: does it help with the e15 cut?
eatramen [?\]: when in doubt, call it a timesuji
]
;B[ec]C[MXHero [4d\]: the top right is an endgame corner at this point, while the top left potentially affects the middle game
AzureSea [4d\]: lol yeah
playful [?\]: now w lives unconditionally
]
;W[dd]
;B[de]C[AzureSea [4d\]: d16 d15 c18 e18 b16 c15 
]
;W[cb]C[bourbaki [2d?\]: it's also possible that the recorder did not play in the same tempo as the players
MXHero [4d\]: let's say that's what happened; i'll feel better :)
rusticpan [2k\]: unlikely
AzureSea [4d\]: white's done an amazing job neutralizing black's top left moyo
rusticpan [2k\]: its a certified recorder
rusticpan [2k\]: 9d of recorders
AzureSea [4d\]: and b reduced white's right side incredibly well too
]
;B[eb]
;W[bd]
;B[ce]
;W[ad]
;B[ca]
;W[ba]C[MXHero [4d\]: oh also, regarding the top right corner
MXHero [4d\]: w living there has an endgame cost around S13
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
]
;B[ac]C[MXHero [4d\]: so it is not quite as valuable as it seems
]
;W[ab]C[ahero [4d\]: a16 is cool
AzureSea [4d\]: that corner about 20 points
AzureSea [4d\]: b has to make some more territory
AzureSea [4d\]: all he has is from f18 to n18
AzureSea [4d\]: plus like 5 points in bottom
]
;B[bj]C[ahero [4d\]: i normally never consider a16, but it seems better here
erikk [-\]: ur looks dead
]
;W[qa]C[bourbaki [2d?\]: what is the difference between the two?
AzureSea [4d\]: well now
AzureSea [4d\]: if w a15
AzureSea [4d\]: b has to cnonect back at b14
ahero [4d\]: with a17, b can play a14 in sente
MXHero [4d\]: A16 removes ko aji at b A14
ahero [4d\]: ^^
hallelujah [?\]: w wants all corners
AzureSea [4d\]: lol we all said same thing xD
MXHero [4d\]: it is a 4d-level style move, clearly :)
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
AzureSea [4d\]: feel like h14 is big once this corner drama is oer
peakoil [3d\]:  j14?
AzureSea [4d\]: over*
MXHero [4d\]: Q3?
]
;B[rb]C[AzureSea [4d\]: q3 doesnt work
]
;W[sb]
;B[ra]
;W[sd]
;B[qb]
;W[se]C[AzureSea [4d\]: w saves half his corner in gote
MXHero [4d\]: wow! how did b do this
hallelujah [?\]: did b have a choice?
Thus [3d\]: it was ought to be a ko over all
MXHero [4d\]: i didn't think b could do anything cool here, hehe
ahero [4d\]: the corner was never w to save
]
;B[pc]C[ahero [4d\]: after p19 
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
MXHero [4d\]: hmm, i don't believe that, but it's a weird corner so ok
AzureSea [4d\]: is w rly thinking about tenuki o.o
ahero [4d\]: i mean, it wouldn't be a clean life
bourbaki [2d?\]: naive b play yields a bigger corner for w
AzureSea [4d\]: maybe w is contemplating h14
bourbaki [2d?\]: so s18 is a tesuji
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
peakoil [3d\]: h14 looks bigger than t13
hallelujah [?\]: w needs to find a place to fight
hallelujah [?\]: or resign
AzureSea [4d\]: no w doesnt need to resign
ahero [4d\]: why would w do that o.o
Danae [-\]: it is popular on wbaduk these days to play s14
hallelujah [?\]: w is behind, b position is superior
Danae [-\]: after the hane, the corner is alive due to t16
gopaly2013 [2k\]: H14 is big
AzureSea [4d\]: i'd advise you to count again hallelujah
MXHero [4d\]: it looks very close
hallelujah [?\]: maybe
AzureSea [4d\]: and i think w is planning on h14 here
playful [?\]: score is close now
MXHero [4d\]: don't forget that w has komi :)
AzureSea [4d\]: 7.5 right
hallelujah [?\]: i did forget komi -,- w is still behind though, by my count
AzureSea [4d\]: remember potential doesnt count as territory lol
]
;W[sg]C[AzureSea [4d\]: now b will h14
kmlck [1k\]: j14 now
peakoil [3d\]: j14 now?
]
;B[ml]C[MXHero [4d\]: w's current territory is slightly thicker than b's, but we will have to see how much that truly matters
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah'
AzureSea [4d\]: hm
MXHero [4d\]: H14!
ahero [4d\]: critical thickness point but it feels too small to me
AzureSea [4d\]: i said that a long time ago xD
AzureSea [4d\]: h14 i mean
kmlck [1k\]: m8 better here i think
bourbaki [2d?\]: this will test the proverb "even a moron connects against a peep"
hallelujah [?\]: anyway, saying "w/b should resign" is standard kibitzing
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
bourbaki [2d?\]: i think w should play elsewhere
AzureSea [4d\]: lol connecting the peep isnt always good
hallelujah [?\]: which peep tthough makes you not a moron?!
viu30h [5k\]: purple should resign  (said by the hipster kibitzer)
AzureSea [4d\]: that rhyme
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
viu30h [5k\]: its all fine
MXHero [4d\]: w B11 later may become a very good move
AzureSea [4d\]: ah yeah
AzureSea [4d\]: oh maybe w will l10 here
MXHero [4d\]: so maybe H14 is smaller than it seems
playful [?\]: there's a great book called "Get Sttong at Resigning
peakoil [3d\]: *that sinking feeling when your opponent doesn't respond to what you were sure was a forcing move*
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
AzureSea [4d\]: w will either l10 or h14 here
]
;W[bi]C[MXHero [4d\]: omg
dfgdfgfd: lol
]
;B[pq]C[AzureSea [4d\]: or that
]
;W[pp]C[AzureSea [4d\]: xD
MXHero [4d\]: lol, well i did -NOT- predict that
AzureSea [4d\]: XD
bourbaki [2d?\]: was that the correct speed at which the last three moves were played?
AzureSea [4d\]: probably
AzureSea [4d\]: usgo2 how much time is left for both playres?
]
;B[oo]C[peakoil [3d\]: I'm confused
bourbaki [2d?\]: i would r3
AzureSea [4d\]: hmm no
MXHero [4d\]: this is some subtle stuff going on here
AzureSea [4d\]: that is small right now
]
;W[pm]C[MXHero [4d\]: P5 is obvious only after the fact
AzureSea [4d\]: q7 only good move in response to p5
playful [?\]: Q8
killrbunny [2k\]: w is aiming at all three center groups?
AzureSea [4d\]: b considering q5 here
peakoil [3d\]: h14 not as pressing now after b11
bourbaki [2d?\]: what is the follow after b a10 btw
MXHero [4d\]: cut at C10
MXHero [4d\]: then aji opens up at the E7 cut, for example
AzureSea [4d\]: hmm
AzureSea [4d\]: i wouldn't c10
peakoil [3d\]: yeah just reduce and then play h14
AzureSea [4d\]: i would c12 
AzureSea [4d\]: c12 as follow up for white
AzureSea [4d\]: if b doesnt a10 i mean
MXHero [4d\]: oh no, i was saying, if b A10
playful [?\]: b must q8 or r9
]
;B[po]
;W[qo]C[AzureSea [4d\]: oh okay
AzureSea [4d\]: lol i called that
AzureSea [4d\]: knew b would q5
MXHero [4d\]: :)
]
;B[pn]
;W[qm]
;B[ol]C[MXHero [4d\]: ooo wow
viu30h [5k\]: go needs casting like starcraft
]
;W[jn]C[MXHero [4d\]: now cut it all at L6!
hallelujah [?\]: casting?
]
;B[cj]C[AzureSea [4d\]: xD
]
;W[aj]C[viu30h [5k\]: (broad)casting
hallelujah [?\]: cast has so many meanings these days
AzureSea [4d\]: l6 huge now
MXHero [4d\]: oh wait maybe not
AzureSea [4d\]: lol b's moyo completely vanished
killrbunny [2k\]: now b must defend... two weak groups
MXHero [4d\]: just w K8 in response?
bourbaki [2d?\]: k6 seems to neutralize whatever b5 aji there may have been
AzureSea [4d\]: mx at least b will save his weak group
AzureSea [4d\]: either that or b will h14 
AzureSea [4d\]: try to get at least some points in his former moyo
MXHero [4d\]: yeah true, i guess the area is vital regardless
]
;B[pg]C[AzureSea [4d\]: peep :o
hallelujah [?\]: endgame, then?
AzureSea [4d\]: no i just think b is low on time
AzureSea [4d\]: needs more time to think
peakoil [3d\]: trying to cut?
MXHero [4d\]: it's a perfectly timed peep though
]
;W[ph]C[goren2 [2k\]: l6 seems big?
bourbaki [2d?\]: don't they have like two hours?
bourbaki [2d?\]: + b-y?
MXHero [4d\]: right before fully thickening the center with L6? are we right? :)
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah xD
AzureSea [4d\]: lol mx u and me have been correct like 65% of the time
MXHero [4d\]: i like those odds! hehe
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
AzureSea [4d\]: maybe more idk
MXHero [4d\]: we'd only lose in like 50 moves against these guys
AzureSea [4d\]: lol xD
MXHero [4d\]: hehe
Meera [2d\]: L6 ?
AzureSea [4d\]: im thinking that or h14
AzureSea [4d\]: or maybe b is looking at b5?
AzureSea [4d\]: trying to get it so that he can b5 without losing c5 stones
bourbaki [2d?\]: b5 doesn't work with k6 does it
AzureSea [4d\]: force w to live
peakoil [3d\]: r9 is huge too
AzureSea [4d\]: thats more of endgame
AzureSea [4d\]: b has 2 weak groups atm
AzureSea [4d\]: whereas all of w's groups are solid
hallelujah [?\]: trying to get used to not using board coordinates. still takes me a couple of seconds to process
gopaly2013 [2k\]: Q8 is big
MXHero [4d\]: you know, maybe K8 is a vital point
hfdtd [1d\]: white could have captured the black stone with q14 
AzureSea [4d\]: k8 looks nice for w
hallelujah [?\]: i feel like you guys are mocking me now
MXHero [4d\]: O7 is hard for w to save anyway, maybe start at b K8 and then capture O6 when it is needed/valuable
qnine [3k\]: isnt m6 sente because of the l11 cut
AzureSea [4d\]: well m6 saves o7
MXHero [4d\]: but then b can M8!
AzureSea [4d\]: then k8
Meera [2d\]: f5 ?
AzureSea [4d\]: m6 m8 k8 l9 h14 
MXHero [4d\]: nono, i mean, imagine the sequence K8 M6 M8
AzureSea [4d\]: if w can go first
AzureSea [4d\]: and get that sequence
MXHero [4d\]: starting with B
AzureSea [4d\]: oh
AzureSea [4d\]: thats good for b
MXHero [4d\]: so K8 makes some kind of a miai?
AzureSea [4d\]: he saves 2 groups
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah i suppose
AzureSea [4d\]: instead of m6 tho
AzureSea [4d\]: white might l7
bourbaki [2d?\]: b needs an ear reddening move
MXHero [4d\]: yees, but then at least O7 remains half-dead
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
Meera [2d\]: r9
MXHero [4d\]: i am just not totally thrilled about the b L6 sequence
AzureSea [4d\]: r9 small atm
Meera [2d\]: around 10 pts 
viu30h [5k\]: go players have so low apm...  cant be skilled
MXHero [4d\]: lol
Meera [2d\]: big yse with r9 too soon then 
ulmo [2d\]: :-)
Concinnity [2k?\]: Nah, viu, you just can't see the actions. They are happening. Lots of them.
AzureSea [4d\]: if b r9 now
AzureSea [4d\]: he gives w sente
ahero [4d\]: fun yose is b to play bot right corner
AzureSea [4d\]: and w has got plenty of big moves
MXHero [4d\]: viu, but aji per minute is extremely high!
viu30h [5k\]: xD
]
;B[jm]C[hallelujah [?\]: there should be an apm meter on the board
MXHero [4d\]: wow
]
;W[kn]
;B[in]C[MXHero [4d\]: oh it is beautiful
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
qnine [3k\]: wow, b can get all the center?
MXHero [4d\]: we were getting closer, azure!
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah xD
AzureSea [4d\]: k5 m8 l8 k8 
AzureSea [4d\]: b gets that area all to himself
AzureSea [4d\]: although
AzureSea [4d\]: i think w may crosscut
AzureSea [4d\]: j7
qnine [3k\]: has to i think ^^
Concinnity [2k?\]: j7 seems the move
]
;W[im]C[AzureSea [4d\]: yup :)
awesome [4k\]: action
Concinnity [2k?\]: White would rather poke himself in the eye than play k5.
SColbert [4d\]: b wantd b5
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah lol
Meera [2d\]: h6 ?
bourbaki [2d?\]: this is still all secretly about the left isn't it
awesome [4k\]: shhhh!
MXHero [4d\]: hehe bourbaki, i am sure :)
AzureSea [4d\]: lol i think i was right when i said b was looking at b5
SColbert [4d\]: h6
AzureSea [4d\]: mx i was right xD
]
;B[hn]C[AzureSea [4d\]: h6 now
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
]
;W[il]C[AzureSea [4d\]: :)
Falablah [1k\]: Now the b5 cut is easier for b?
bourbaki [2d?\]: now b5 looks good
AzureSea [4d\]: g5 now?
MXHero [4d\]: so um... this game will never actually enter the endgame
hallelujah [?\]: w wants to live in the center
AzureSea [4d\]: i feel like g5 works
hallelujah [?\]: when does b5 become an issue
MXHero [4d\]: it will only veer ever closer to it, and then explode again
AzureSea [4d\]: threatens cut at k5
SColbert [4d\]: h7
AzureSea [4d\]: and if w connects at k5
AzureSea [4d\]: then b goes at b5
Meera [2d\]: f6
Concinnity [2k?\]: Hmm, doesn't look great for black now
hfdtd [1d\]: Seems Like Desperation
SColbert [4d\]: g7
rydberg [-\]: h6 only move  ;-)
rusticpan [2k\]: escape
AzureSea [4d\]: g5
rusticpan [2k\]: he's going to escape
rusticpan [2k\]: disconnect
]
;B[jo]C[rusticpan [2k\]: from life
]
;W[io]C[Dita [1d\]: cut and go crazy YES!
hallelujah [?\]: live game, hard to escape. they have people
MXHero [4d\]: omg lol sweet
AzureSea [4d\]: lol b going for broke
rusticpan [2k\]: he's going to escape his body
AzureSea [4d\]: he'll achieve enlightment
peakoil [3d\]: this was not worth it if b doesn't get b5
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
Dita [1d\]: L5
Herod [-\]: rusticpan no more nonsense if you wish to continue watching
]
;B[ko]
;W[gm]C[Rukis [1k\]: Is GanSheng still in korea?
AzureSea [4d\]: oh hey rukis :)
ThiGar [3k\]: reminder: weakness at l11
]
;B[gn]C[AzureSea [4d\]: w has to protect b5 sooner or later
MXHero [4d\]: this is all scary at this point, i have no idea what is happening
AzureSea [4d\]: suddenly seems b has taken control of game again
hallelujah [?\]: seems like thin ice for w
]
;W[fn]C[AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
peakoil [3d\]: now w enitre center is weak, and he has to worry about b5 too
AzureSea [4d\]: w is a very territorial guy
AzureSea [4d\]: b seems to be more aggressive/reckless
peakoil [3d\]: unless w captures these 3 stones 
]
;B[fm]
;W[gl]C[Dita [1d\]: ooohG8
AzureSea [4d\]: d5
Dita [1d\]: did not expect that move
Rukis [1k\]: white should have played h7
Rukis [1k\]: ..
playful [?\]: b is captured
awesome [4k\]: yes, why not h7?
qnine [3k\]: hmm isnt h7  better here to reduce libs?
AzureSea [4d\]: d5 creatse a miai now
AzureSea [4d\]: either w can kill h6, and get b6 cut off
AzureSea [4d\]: or connect at b5 and die at j7
ThiGar [3k\]: man, b is getting swallowed
bourbaki [2d?\]: w will sacrifice edge stones and play h14
Herod [-\]: This is Andy's element - tremendous when it comes to the fights
Dita [1d\]: C6?
ahero [4d\]: if w wanted to capture, he could play g5 to capture, he wants more than just capture
]
;B[en]
;W[fo]
;B[bo]C[AzureSea [4d\]: im rooting for andy to win lol
AzureSea [4d\]: and there we go
Falablah [1k\]: ta-dah!
AzureSea [4d\]: the b5 xD
MXHero [4d\]: oooooooooooooooo E6 is extremely good!
AzureSea [4d\]: i so called this like 50 moves ago XDD
hallelujah [?\]: b5 bomber
]
;W[bp]
;B[ao]C[MXHero [4d\]: way better than D5, amazingly
AzureSea [4d\]: hmm so andy how're u gonna handle this
AzureSea [4d\]: lol yeah
bourbaki [2d?\]: reduce from outside
]
;W[fl]C[ahero [4d\]: b lost a lot of points to get b5 though
AzureSea [4d\]: ohh
AzureSea [4d\]: i think
AzureSea [4d\]: white might connect at m6 soon
AzureSea [4d\]: p10 group isnt alive yet
AzureSea [4d\]: he's gonna play some moves like around g12
hallelujah [?\]: connecting at m6 is slow
]
;B[em]C[ahero [4d\]: connect at m6 has a problem
MXHero [4d\]: there is no good connection at M6
]
;W[cn]C[MXHero [4d\]: b just M8
Falablah [1k\]: also black can turn it into a big ko
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah :/
ahero [4d\]: since w has liberty shortage
Meera [2d\]: w will get to e12 and such
]
;B[do]
;W[eo]C[ThiGar [3k\]: what's gonna be left of black?
]
;B[dn]C[AzureSea [4d\]: lol that shape
ahero [4d\]: w could connect at n7
Rukis [1k\]: and he lives...
Rukis [1k\]: oh not yet
AzureSea [4d\]: w not alive yet
bourbaki [2d?\]: e9 and break in a bit
ahero [4d\]: nvm n7 sillier
AzureSea [4d\]: he has 1 eye
hallelujah [?\]: that's know as the 'lounging man' shape
Falablah [1k\]: lol
peakoil [3d\]: a6?
]
;W[ek]C[AzureSea [4d\]: i'd e9 just to make b's shape look awful xD
AzureSea [4d\]: there xd
ThiGar [3k\]: it always seems w has bigger fish to fry
]
;B[dk]C[MXHero [4d\]: now E10?
AzureSea [4d\]: great minds think alike xD
AzureSea [4d\]: now f9
AzureSea [4d\]: f9 forces b to connect
AzureSea [4d\]: then e10
Falablah [1k\]: now black's left doesn't seem so big
Rukis [1k\]: -.-
Rukis [1k\]: "great minds"
playful [?\]: :)
Meera [2d\]: e10
AzureSea [4d\]: rukis xD
Rukis [1k\]: i wonder who has the pro rank here
AzureSea [4d\]: psh
Rukis [1k\]: lol
AzureSea [4d\]: im a 4p didnt u know
]
;W[ej]C[bourbaki [2d?\]: i feel "e9 and break in a bit" was a better summary of this sequence
]
;B[ei]C[Rukis [1k\]: oh
]
;W[fk]
;B[dl]C[ThiGar [3k\]: wow!
]
;W[di]C[AzureSea [4d\]: d11 now?
playful [?\]: andy is the master
AzureSea [4d\]: yup
MXHero [4d\]: cut yeaahh
]
;B[ci]C[Falablah [1k\]: oof
hallelujah [?\]: hoo boy
AzureSea [4d\]: andy so good
AzureSea [4d\]: this is painful for blol
]
;W[dh]C[peakoil [3d\]: suddenly left side capture looks small
awesome [4k\]: blol suffering
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
AzureSea [4d\]: seems like only 15-20 pts
AzureSea [4d\]: much smaller than the l6 group
Rukis [1k\]: and black only wanted the left
Falablah [1k\]: White definitely came out ahead in that trade
Falablah [1k\]: left for center
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
playful [?\]: can w really D12?
AzureSea [4d\]: hmm
Rukis [1k\]: yes
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
bourbaki [2d?\]: this should answer all the questions about g8
peakoil [3d\]: can b f11?
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
Rukis [1k\]: do you not see the lib count on black?
Falablah [1k\]: then w sacrifice the two stones if need be?
AzureSea [4d\]: wow so when w played g8
AzureSea [4d\]: he read this far ahead
AzureSea [4d\]: incredible
ThiGar [3k\]: what a treat, champagne go, trades and all!
MXHero [4d\]: maybe E6 was not as good as D5!
Falablah [1k\]: Azure's right! That's why no h7
Rukis [1k\]: are there live boards?
Falablah [1k\]: Pro's are a different species
AzureSea [4d\]: :)
MXHero [4d\]: E6 forced a trade directly but had this liberty problem
AzureSea [4d\]: lol yeah
hallelujah [?\]: this board is live?
]
;B[ch]C[AzureSea [4d\]: this is live
Meera [2d\]: i bet b is upset now
gopaly2013 [2k\]: f11 not work, i think
AzureSea [4d\]: e12
AzureSea [4d\]: or maybe even d13 here
MXHero [4d\]: so.... is H14 still big?? ;)
Rukis [1k\]: no
AzureSea [4d\]: XDDD
AzureSea [4d\]: h14 loool
bourbaki [2d?\]: f11 would have died *gloriously*
ThiGar [3k\]: what's next?
Rukis [1k\]: broadcasted video
Falablah [1k\]: why not just cut at f11 and abandon the two stones?
AzureSea [4d\]: im looking at e12
peakoil [3d\]: anyone figure out the meaning of k16 yet?
]
;W[ae]
;B[af]C[eatramen [?\]: timesuji
]
;W[bc]C[Prometheus [2k\]: what happened in Bill Lin's game please?
Rukis [1k\]: its a forcing move
AzureSea [4d\]: and b uses the a16 advantage
MXHero [4d\]: aha epic double sente
AzureSea [4d\]: er
]
;B[bg]C[AzureSea [4d\]: w*
]
;W[fi]C[Falablah [1k\]: yay I was right!
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
]
;B[jr]
;W[gq]C[AzureSea [4d\]: r9 now
MXHero [4d\]: wait, why did w not play the G12 net?
AzureSea [4d\]: seems biggest point on board left
MXHero [4d\]: e12 f11 g12 ?
MXHero [4d\]: oh nevermind, gets a bit messy
Falablah [1k\]: would g12 net work?
AzureSea [4d\]: nope
SColbert [4d\]: k10
AzureSea [4d\]: w doesnt have enough libertiers
Falablah [1k\]: didn't think soblack just e13
SColbert [4d\]: l10
rydberg [-\]: b needs to get out of kikashi town
Meera [2d\]: h15 ?
bourbaki [2d?\]: b is officially getting cranked
bourbaki [2d?\]: even if he gets all the big endgame he's behind
SColbert [4d\]: b winning
AzureSea [4d\]: where can we see all the results for the tourney
goren2 [2k\]: k8
gopaly2013 [2k\]: I'd play R9
Rukis [1k\]: you cant o.o
hallelujah [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/166
hallelujah [?\]: here, i assume
Falablah [1k\]: Nothing loaded yet, though
Nosabe [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/
Meera [2d\]: wis too happy with h15
Falablah [1k\]: usually takes them a day
AzureSea [4d\]: oh lol
]
;B[mm]
;W[ll]
;B[ln]
;W[km]C[SColbert [4d\]: yose 
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah we're finally at yose
AzureSea [4d\]: after 174 moves :)
AzureSea [4d\]: and yet half the board is empty xD
MXHero [4d\]: now R9?
AzureSea [4d\]: look at top lol
AzureSea [4d\]: so open
ahero [4d\]: too open so it's small xD
SColbert [4d\]: q2 big
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
]
;B[pr]
;W[qr]
;B[nr]C[MXHero [4d\]: hmmm
AzureSea [4d\]: q8 now
ahero [4d\]: r2 would have been a funny resign suji :S
]
;W[eh]C[Falablah [1k\]: Is that worth losing sente for b?
AzureSea [4d\]: no rly big points left
AzureSea [4d\]: so i guess it is
hallelujah [?\]: qwhy not r3?
hallelujah [?\]: gote?
AzureSea [4d\]: besides, he has sente back again
bourbaki [2d?\]: ko threat
awesome [4k\]: I think w wins
Falablah [1k\]: yeah
goren2 [2k\]: a4
Concinnity [2k?\]: No big sente moves around, so play big gote. Makes sense.
SColbert [4d\]: b winning
hfdtd [1d\]: r3
peakoil [3d\]: L11 cut?
Rukis [1k\]: h15 would be my move here
ThiGar [3k\]: l11/q8 miai
Timk [-\]: it's rather close now, but B is slightly better
pepsi [1k\]: doesn't b need to protect L 11?
AzureSea [4d\]: does b have a kgs account/
bourbaki [2d?\]: used to be bigbadwolf
]
;B[qq]C[AzureSea [4d\]: thats w
]
;W[rq]C[AzureSea [4d\]: what about b
]
;B[os]C[bourbaki [2d?\]: oh
]
;W[pl]C[eatramen [?\]: everyone has a kgs acc
bourbaki [2d?\]: dunno
AzureSea [4d\]: q8 :)
]
;B[pk]
;W[qk]C[ThiGar [3k\]: :)
MXHero [4d\]: gosh, finally this gets played :)
AzureSea [4d\]: ikr xD
MXHero [4d\]: now we can stop worrying about its value
MXHero [4d\]: :)
AzureSea [4d\]: n14 coming up
hallelujah [?\]: how big was this?
SColbert [4d\]: h15
MXHero [4d\]: smaller than i thought, hall :)
goren2 [2k\]: k9
Rukis [1k\]: s2 t2 h15 
ThiGar [3k\]: SE not far off
MXHero [4d\]: L16?
x0000 [-\]: h15 
Illyria [?\]: h15 looks gigantic
playful [?\]: K10
AzureSea [4d\]: not as big as u all think
hallelujah [?\]: s2 is sente
Concinnity [2k?\]: s2 over h15 for me
ahero [4d\]: k16 keeps looking worse
frozensoul [-\]: h15 is max like 4-6pts lol
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
]
;B[rr]
;W[sr]C[MXHero [4d\]: oh gosh, there is aji at L11
bourbaki [2d?\]: se is numerically illiterate in non-japanese games
AzureSea [4d\]: l11 cut looks inviting
frozensoul [-\]: im agreeing
pepsi [1k\]: I already pointed out L 11
frozensoul [-\]: been staring at it for a while hehe
]
;B[rs]C[AzureSea [4d\]: :)
MXHero [4d\]: so H15 is wrong, since it sets up a splitting attack that w can play
]
;W[hd]C[AzureSea [4d\]: O.O
AzureSea [4d\]: h16 xD
SColbert [4d\]: h15 was crtical
Rukis [1k\]: or white will make a huge reduction...
AzureSea [4d\]: lol for some reason a4 is bugging me
AzureSea [4d\]: i know its small now
AzureSea [4d\]: but if b gets it later it can be annoying
gopaly2013 [2k\]: w k11 cut
SColbert [4d\]: now b lose
Illyria [?\]: now l11 looks much more important
AzureSea [4d\]: l11 big
awesome [4k\]: told you scolbert :D
frozensoul [-\]: black would probably lose even if he played h15
indianayk [4d\]: w i aiming at l11 cut
AzureSea [4d\]: b will probably k9 here
AzureSea [4d\]: k10*
hallelujah [?\]: anytime my opponent gets endgame i am annoyed. i want it all
rydberg [-\]: h16 is enormous
playful [?\]: this is big, but bigger than s4?
]
;B[id]C[SColbert [4d\]: b should play h15
]
;W[he]C[x0000 [-\]: k9 l10 
AzureSea [4d\]: s4 is about 5 points
Rukis [1k\]: oo
Falablah [1k\]: and it can be a ko if w wants
Falablah [1k\]: not worth it for b with the l11 aji
hallelujah [?\]: s4 is more than give
]
;B[ie]C[MXHero [4d\]: i guess we are back in the middle game again?
]
;W[if]C[AzureSea [4d\]: xD
Concinnity [2k?\]: Definitely mroe than 5
awesome [4k\]: lol
playful [?\]: w preparing for L11 cut
AzureSea [4d\]: brief respite and back at it once more
Thus [3d\]: s4 11 points
SColbert [4d\]: trade
yw [?\]: s4 is 8 pts
Meera [2d\]: k12 floating
gopaly2013 [2k\]: j11
Meera [2d\]: ,0
x0000 [-\]: h14 
hallelujah [?\]: lol, let's just agree that s4 is points
rydberg [-\]: cut starting to look really dangerous
AzureSea [4d\]: b cant h14
bourbaki [2d?\]: i'll agree that s4 is a ko
Falablah [1k\]: Trade looks better for b, I think
Dita [1d\]: G17
AzureSea [4d\]: i think b k10 now
MXHero [4d\]: w cannot fight that S4 ko, it is way too big
Falablah [1k\]: if he get h14 and w gets l11
playful [?\]: s4 would be a bad ko for w
Illyria [?\]: how much time do the players have left?
ahero [4d\]: s4 is a tenuki, but w could make ko later
Concinnity [2k?\]: k9 for black?
Timk [-\]: i have feeling B can win without h14 here
ahero [4d\]: too hard for me to count
SColbert [4d\]: trade is way to go
indianayk [4d\]: s4 is more than 10 points
bourbaki [2d?\]: w doesn't have anything to fear from that ko
Timk [-\]: s4 is huge
MXHero [4d\]: S4 is not tenuki, it would go S4 S5 T3
HelloQtion [-\]: I count 11-12 points for s4
AzureSea [4d\]: situation around l11 bigger than s4
MXHero [4d\]: or else b gets S5 in sente
ahero [4d\]: s5 not sente
]
;B[kj]
;W[hc]C[ahero [4d\]: s5 s6 pass t3
AzureSea [4d\]: f14
ahero [4d\]: o myabe sente
Falablah [1k\]: aww that's no fun
ahero [4d\]: xD
peakoil [3d\]: whoah
Timk [-\]: now e15 in a danger
yw [?\]: the t4 ko is too heavy for w, w will just play s5, making this capture worth 8 pts
]
;B[ff]C[AzureSea [4d\]: called it ^
ahero [4d\]: because s8 the problem
AzureSea [4d\]: im on fire xD
Timk [-\]: f14 is not a 4dan mve, azure :)
eatramen [?\]: firesea
AzureSea [4d\]: f15 now
AzureSea [4d\]: firesea O.O
HelloQtion [-\]: Go go AzureSea, you can win that game
playful [?\]: M17
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
bourbaki [2d?\]: can w tenuki now?
hallelujah [?\]: dans really shouldn't get excited when they call a move correctly
awesome [4k\]: what's next, azure?
]
;W[fe]C[HelloQtion [-\]: AzureSea +kibitz and got pro rank
AzureSea [4d\]: f15
Rukis [1k\]: Timk what makes a dan move?
AzureSea [4d\]: loool
awesome [4k\]: :)
Dita [1d\]: hehe
Timk [-\]: i'd rather play h13 here for W
AzureSea [4d\]: called this xD
AzureSea [4d\]: hmm lets see..
Dita [1d\]: E15... i'm 7d now?
Rukis [1k\]: this game is over now
viu30h [5k\]: defining dan move is pretty simple
playful [?\]: a4 also becoming urgent
SColbert [4d\]: s2 was losing move
viu30h [5k\]: its a move you get away with ;)
MXHero [4d\]: lol viu
]
;B[ee]
;W[rp]C[AzureSea [4d\]: lol no other choice for b there
bourbaki [2d?\]: b was losing before s2
Falablah [1k\]: oof
AzureSea [4d\]: and white gets next biggest move
Timk [-\]: you are 7d now, dita ;)
gopaly2013 [2k\]: H14 cut?
Dita [1d\]: \\o/
AzureSea [4d\]: white wins now
playful [?\]: a4
SColbert [4d\]:  b winning up to s2
bourbaki [2d?\]: i disagree
SColbert [4d\]: if played h15 then win
Rukis [1k\]: h14 doesnt cut anything gopaly2013
MXHero [4d\]: in retrospect, b wishes he played E12 first
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
MXHero [4d\]: that move was worth more than expected (thanks, L11)
Dita [1d\]: A4 big?
AzureSea [4d\]: think b will resign here
]
;B[ap]
;W[br]C[xkcdfan [10k\]: b will fight!
x0000 [-\]: h14 cuts r5 and j4 
AzureSea [4d\]: :)
hallelujah [?\]: w's lead isn't that big
AzureSea [4d\]: a14
AzureSea [4d\]: q14*
AzureSea [4d\]: or n14
Rukis [1k\]: h14 cuts nothing....
]
;B[hb]
;W[gb]
;B[ib]C[goren2 [2k\]: very close game. both at 67
SColbert [4d\]: komi
]
;W[kc]C[SColbert [4d\]: included?
goren2 [2k\]: yes
Rukis [1k\]: this isnt close.. andy has a solid lead now
royu [5d\]: m17 
MXHero [4d\]: M17
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
xkcdfan [10k\]: I'm cheering for black
MXHero [4d\]: final ko for game?
]
;B[gc]C[SColbert [4d\]: i count close game
Timk [-\]: to panfull for B :\\
AzureSea [4d\]: m16 now
MXHero [4d\]: but now b can cut
MXHero [4d\]: oh wait, no, sorry i am crazy
AzureSea [4d\]: xD
AzureSea [4d\]: m16
royu [5d\]: i count close game too
]
;W[lb]
;B[je]
;W[ke]C[jward [13k\]: oh man
]
;B[kd]
;W[ld]C[Dita [1d\]: G16
SColbert [4d\]: b yose not great
]
;B[me]C[goren2 [2k\]: g16?
]
;W[jb]C[playful [?\]: AGA pros are the real deal :)
AzureSea [4d\]: O.o
AzureSea [4d\]: k18 :o
MXHero [4d\]: omg this is so fun
AzureSea [4d\]: w a bit hopeful xD
AzureSea [4d\]: but it works
hallelujah [?\]: they are the real deal in the sense that they are the strongest aga ama
royu [5d\]: AGA skill level still a step higher than egc
hallelujah [?\]: but compared to other pros, they have a ways
]
;B[gd]C[hallelujah [?\]: which shouldn't surprise anyone
Dita [1d\]: my sequence was better
SColbert [4d\]: ko
Thus [3d\]: because aga is just a bunch of chinese ppl
Rukis [1k\]: Dita you didnt have one
Epithany [3k?\]: G16 a pain for w
Dita [1d\]: I said G18 before N15
AzureSea [4d\]: lol
AzureSea [4d\]: is b going for the ko
MXHero [4d\]: does b have enough threats to fight the ko?
AzureSea [4d\]: he doesnt have many threats tho
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
SColbert [4d\]: h14
Epithany [3k?\]: h14 for B
Falablah [1k\]: ko seems unecessary for white
Rukis [1k\]: you cant really ko i think
hallelujah [?\]: w committed to it
RobertT [-\]: w is behind slightly
hallelujah [?\]: it is up to b now
AzureSea [4d\]: maybe its closer than we think lol
]
;W[ge]C[Falablah [1k\]: well the dans say w has threats so ok I'll defer :)
Epithany [3k?\]: slow move for W
AzureSea [4d\]: im gonna count
RobertT [-\]: w is trying to play a little complicated to catch up
hallelujah [?\]: w was slightly ahead
MXHero [4d\]: i read that b has one threat
Falablah [1k\]: I counted w slightly ahead
]
;B[ja]C[hallelujah [?\]: if he connects this though he is way ahead
]
;W[kb]C[Falablah [1k\]: before the ko
Falablah [1k\]: yeah
xkcdfan [10k\]: black plays f18?
awesome [4k\]: I count on andy
playful [?\]: w still much ahead
AzureSea [4d\]: w has roughly 70 points i'd say
gopaly2013 [2k\]: M15
MXHero [4d\]: m15 k16 h4 l16 h3 g4 h5 g2  who wins?
Falablah [1k\]: black has to win the ko more than once
royu [5d\]: I don't think w is way ahead. if w connects, it's close, maybe even b slightly ahead
Thus [3d\]: 2 steps too big
Thus [3d\]: b can't take that
Dita [1d\]: yes
AzureSea [4d\]: lol i count that they're even
MXHero [4d\]: oh wait, it's harder than that, i see
MXHero [4d\]: w would have to fight the ko for H18
AzureSea [4d\]: they both have 70 points roughly
AzureSea [4d\]: i feel like j10 will be big
SColbert [4d\]: b gave up healthy lead in yose
MXHero [4d\]: oh it is a 2-step ko, goshh
Concinnity [2k?\]: Game deciding moment right now it seems.
AzureSea [4d\]: yeah
Falablah [1k\]: Anyone know how much time they have left?
Meera [2d\]: canb make w to have only one eye at G8so he has to capture H6 ?
Falablah [1k\]: that could make a difference
Meera [2d\]: ^^
]
;B[pf]
;W[jd]
;B[fb]
;W[aq]C[AzureSea [4d\]: where are b's threats
hallelujah [?\]: why not descend first?
AzureSea [4d\]: oh lol
]
;B[jk]
;W[jl]C[Rukis [1k\]: same result hallelujah
Falablah [1k\]: is there a large move in the middle?
MarkTurner [9k\]: w is ahead ..
playful [?\]: it's an illusion, ther isn't actually a ko
Rukis [1k\]: g19 f18 k16 f19 
AzureSea [4d\]: h10
hallelujah [?\]: oh, you're right
Rukis [1k\]: g10 for lols
Meera [2d\]: w10+
royu [5d\]: b m9, was it better shape?
royu [5d\]: sorry, l9
SColbert [4d\]: meera usd se
]
;B[hj]C[hallelujah [?\]: don't insult other users, scolbert
SColbert [4d\]: se doesnt work in this rule set
]
;W[dg]C[viu30h [5k\]: se doesnt work in any ruleset
Rukis [1k\]: se works well in japanese
MXHero [4d\]: i think it works as expected always :)
Illyria [?\]: it's not bad at japanese
]
;B[le]C[Rukis [1k\]: so dont start
vitamancy [7k\]: what was the point of w d13?
Concinnity [2k?\]: l16, no questions asked.
Rio: b will h14 
playful [?\]: tricky
SColbert [4d\]: yeah ok in Japanese tule
MXHero [4d\]: holy moly
Falablah [1k\]: suddenly this looks complicated again
ahero [4d\]: in other rulesets se doesn't blatantly lie unless there's a seki
]
;W[hg]C[indianayk [4d\]: this b's chance
Falablah [1k\]: lol se and seki
Meera [2d\]: you're saying w has no more than 10 pts? 
MXHero [4d\]: there is actually a ko
]
;B[kd]C[AzureSea [4d\]: wow
SColbert [4d\]: ok
MXHero [4d\]: absolute miracle
Rochedale [4k\]: Well. . .
SColbert [4d\]: b win
]
;W[ia]C[Concinnity [2k?\]: My goodness
]
;B[ga]
;W[jd]C[Falablah [1k\]: does b have a threat?
Rukis [1k\]: what o.o
AzureSea [4d\]: yea
Epithany [3k?\]: His H15 group weak shape was alway s aliability
Mukti [4d\]: Ijust counted w7,5 ahead but now there's this ko....
]
;B[gf]C[Rukis [1k\]: h4 looks like only threat
SColbert [4d\]: h3
]
;W[hf]C[Concinnity [2k?\]: h3/h4 big enough i guess
Falablah [1k\]: oof
]
;B[kd]C[Falablah [1k\]: now e14 is
Falablah [1k\]: *is possible, but not big enough for ko
Baldanders [4k\]: why did white let this happen?
hallelujah [?\]: mistake?
whitelotus [4k\]: c12?
Concinnity [2k?\]: e14 is pretty chunky
xkcdfan [10k\]: white tries to be too cutsy
whitelotus [4k\]: 13 rather
Falablah [1k\]: so do we understand d13 at all?
Falablah [1k\]: cuz I don't
Epithany [3k?\]: His attack was sabotaged by his weak shape to the left
hallelujah [?\]: d13 was big
MXHero [4d\]: H10 had a hidden meaning, how amazing
Rukis [1k\]: q18?
playful [?\]: w no ko threats
]
;W[ii]C[whitelotus [4k\]: nah, that doesn't work
playful [?\]: maybe just capture e14
SColbert [4d\]: ignore
Thus [3d\]: e14 j10 miai
Rukasu [2k\]: b shouldnt ignore
Thus [3d\]: ignore
Rukasu [2k\]: b has more ko threats
Rukasu [2k\]: so he can still play
]
;B[jd]C[goren2 [2k\]: ignore like there is no tomorrow
Rukasu [2k\]: oh wel ;)
AzureSea [4d\]: k11
SColbert [4d\]: of course ignore
]
;W[ij]C[MXHero [4d\]: K10?
]
;B[ik]
;W[hk]
;B[ih]
;W[hh]
;B[ef]
;W[mj]C[SColbert [4d\]: b win
xkcdfan [10k\]: sudenly. black's ahead :)
goren2 [2k\]: w decided to lose?
prime [6k?\]: O: pros can participate in the US open?
Rukis [1k\]: yes prime...
MarkTurner [9k\]: its open ...
Illyria [?\]: anyone can participate in the open
prime [6k?\]: i had no clue
]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]C[prime [6k?\]: oh duh
prime [6k?\]: *facepalm*
]
;B[nf]C[Rukis [1k\]: -.-
viu30h [5k\]: its called the open
yu4nzh0ulu [4d\]: the "american" pros :-p
hallelujah [?\]: opens are usually pretty open in any sport
RobertT [-\]: h13 was required or h15 would die
Herod [-\]: That's why it's called "Open"
prime [6k?\]: gotcha
SColbert [4d\]: w can resign now
royu [5d\]: i think rukasu might have been correct... if b doesn't have enough points now, he will have wanted to ignore as he had more threats
USGO2 [-\]: White resigns
Thus [3d\]: wooa
Rukasu [2k\]: thank you royu :D
AzureSea [4d\]: wow
hallelujah [?\]: ouch
MXHero [4d\]: beautiful game
hallelujah [?\]: sucky
playful [?\]: w must count very carefully
Falablah [1k\]: oof
SColbert [4d\]: called it
Illyria [?\]: thanks for recording USGO2
hallelujah [?\]: bad ending
MXHero [4d\]: H10, so good
xkcdfan [10k\]: thanks USGO2
MXHero [4d\]: no, the ending was amazing
xkcdfan [10k\]: andy being silly
royu [5d\]: awesome game, thanks usgo2
hallelujah [?\]: andy just made a mistake
SColbert [4d\]: thx
hallelujah [?\]: not a way for a game to end
xkcdfan [10k\]: and black goes.. halleljah !
Hobbes [2k\]: SE.say.w.is.ahead...
hallelujah [?\]: he sure did
MXHero [4d\]: well, if D13 had to be a defense instead, it was VERY close
hallelujah [?\]: se is broken
royu [5d\]: no, he chose to play ko there hallelujah - because he was behind
gwgwrg: b+9
hallelujah [?\]: not true royu
MXHero [4d\]: it is cool when a harmless-looking endgame move is something else entirely
SColbert [4d\]: after left kill b was ahead
playful [?\]: w behind by just a couple points it seems
SColbert [4d\]: then w caught up a bit
SColbert [4d\]: but failed at the end
Epithany [3k?\]: Not clear that Andy is pro vs Amateur
royu [5d\]: what rationale would w have to play ko there instead of lose 2 pts in connection? (remember, this is a 1p we are talking about)
AzureSea [4d\]: idk
Rukasu [2k\]: corruption
manofearth [?\]: do u have2 qualify 4an open spot?  Is AGA rank  part of qualification scheme. How much like OPen tennis is it?
Rio: royu black would cut h14
hallelujah [?\]: he needed to connect after m15 
USGO2 [-\]: Thanks for watching
Rio: w falls apart
Rukis [1k\]: You do realize that just because hes a 1p doesnt make him all and mighty 
hallelujah [?\]: otherwise he would have been cut
playful [?\]: Thanks USGO!
SColbert [4d\]: b played well
viu30h [5k\]: literally anyone can participate in the open right?
xkcdfan [10k\]: viu30h wants to join lolz
MarkTurner [9k\]: if you can afford the bus fare ...
viu30h [5k\]: from germany hm.. no way
Hobbes [2k\]: to.me.it.seems.still.a.very.close.game...
hallelujah [?\]: bus fare from germany to washington is remarkably not very expensive
manofearth [?\]: so how  many r open participants r there. and r there seedings?
Epithany [3k?\]: Hobbes.Yes.Period
Hobbes [2k\]: how.many.point.is.b.supposed.to.be.ahead?
Epithany [3k?\]: W C14?
Hobbes [2k\]: a.couple?
royu [5d\]: when w played k18, it was a recognition that he is behind, leaving him to try and fight to connect both l18 and h15 groups
Hobbes [2k\]: anyone.can.a.have.a.stubburness.moment...w.seemed.be.ahead.that.time
royu [5d\]: if he was ahead even 5 pts, he wouldn't take the risk... andy's counting is very accurate
Hobbes [2k\]: royu.how,much.lead.you.count.now.for.b?
MarkTurner [9k\]: after K16 black was 12 points ahead
Hobbes [2k\]: if.I.can.ask
royu [5d\]: at the time of k18, b was ahead by ~5 pts imo
Knight [-\]: I just joined, who is playing?
Hobbes [2k\]: noonenow
manofearth [?\]: looks like w about 60. prisoners r =
RobertT [-\]: Knight, good timing. it just ended
Knight [-\]: T.T
Knight [-\]: who was playing then?
Epithany [3k?\]: Result?
Ber [1d\]: K16 losing move just w m15!
RobertT [-\]: b+ res
Epithany [3k?\]: wow
Hobbes [2k\]: b.....70points?
RobertT [-\]: m15, a2
RobertT [-\]: b 85
Hobbes [2k\]: 85?
Hobbes [2k\]: i.didn't.count.prisoner.cuz.=
harakiri [7k\]: I don't understand anything. SE says w leads by 2.5
Hobbes [2k\]: so.mine.is.77
RobertT [-\]: after top b is ahead about 10 points
Hobbes [2k\]: and....65-66...for.w...with.komi
RobertT [-\]: its roughly 75 vs 85
Hobbes [2k\]: well...I.don't.know.why.I.am.ten.point.lower.than.you.but.the.gap.is.roughly.the.same
Hobbes [2k\]: o...wait.....no.i.forgot.w.prisoner.so.i.have...just.3.point.gap
Hobbes [2k\]: b...bottom.right.till.centre.is.23...
RobertT [-\]: idk why you undercount either
RobertT [-\]: join my clone
Hobbes [2k\]: sure
Hobbes [2k\]: now.i'm.persuaded:-)
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